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and as a gay american did you feel at any time that you should come out and say who you are and what you do? >> i never had the courage to come out, but it wasn't because of anything that the nfl did. it was something that i believed as a child that i could never be a gay athlete. you know, so it was something that i just wished that i had the courage to actually do. >> was it hard for you to be in that environment? >> i was so focused on playing the game of football, it wasn't hard. but when i was outside of football spaces in my own silence it was definitely harder then. >> how do you think you would have been 1e7d if other players knew you were gay? >> i've had players who were my teammates who have been amazing. so i'm going to trust what they said, that they would have accepted me. >> do you think we'll see nfl players come out? >> i think you'll see it in the next two to four years. i think you'll probably see it first in the nhl with the influx of european and canadian players first. >> do you think management and coaches would accept gay players in that environment? >> i definitely think so.
and the nfl's doing stuff right now about diversity and inclusiveness that are kind of changing the conversation. and we should thank chris for his comments because when else would gay rights issues be being discussed before the biggest game of the year? >> the biggest game of the year. the coach wants his team focused, not talking about stuff like this. >> but we're thankful that chris did that. >> yeah. no doubt. wade davis, thanks for coming in tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> i appreciate your time. thank you so much. that is "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. the "rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, ed. thank you very much. >> you bet. >> and thanks to you at home for staying with us this hour. when mitt romney won the republican presidential nomination this past year, it was not his first try at winning that nomination. mitt romney had also run in 2008. remember? he lost to john mccain that year. but that year, 2008, also was not john mccain's first effort at winning the republican presidential nomination. he had run before as well. he had run in the year 2000, when he lost to george w. bush.
and while that john mccain campaign and his loss that year has mostly been remembered for the egregiously racist dirty tricks played against john mccain in the south carolina primary that year, that's mostly what we think of when we think of him losing to george w. bush that year, now what is starting to become the more salient thing about that losing run, about that losing attempt at winning the republican presidential nomination, what seems more salient now is who john mccain's national co-chair was for that run. it was republican senator chuck hagel. there he is. you can see him in the little circle on the left there. with john mccain's entourage as john mccain was getting ready to launch his presidential bid back in 2000. this is the same chuck hagel who is president obama's nominee for defense secretary now and who john mccain spent the day today vilifying and attacking as manifestly unqualified for that job. back in the day john mccain not only was kind of best buddies
with chuck hagel, but he specifically said that he thought chuck hagel would make an awesome defense secretary someday. >> as far as secretary of defense is concerned, there's a lot of people that could do that. one of them i think is senator chuck hagel. >> john mccain and chuck hagel were so close that in 2000, when john mccain realized that he was not going to get the presidential nomination, when john mccain decided he had to give up that bitterly fought nomination battle, the person his campaign put out to speak to the press the day he made his decision to withdraw was his dear friend, old chuck. >> two aides tell nbc news that the arizona senator will announce a suspension of his quest for the white house. back in arizona after his crushing defeat on super tuesday mccain called supporters to thank them. >> we're glad to be home. >> nebraska senator chuck hagel, who spoke to mccain three times yesterday, believes mccain will stay in the republican party.
>> he understands the big picture here. >> as you can tell from looking at this footage, as you can tell specifically from the evolution of the eye bags and the hairdos over time, that whole thing between chuck hague sxl john mccain was a long while ago. chuck hagel as john mccain's campaign co-chair, as the top of his short list for defense secretary, that was more than 12 years ago now. but the thing that happened, the thing that turned john mccain from someone who wanted himself to nominate chuck hagel for defense into a guy who was angrily and with palpable disgust leading the opposition now to the nomination of chuck hagel for defense, the thing that happened between those two different john mccains is not just the passage of time. what happened between those two john mccains is the iraq war. >> do you believe that the people of iraq, or at least a large number of them, will treat us as liberators? >> absolutely. >> i believe we can win an overwhelming victory in a very short period of time. >> i believe that the success will be fairly easy.
>> easy. john mccain was wrong about the iraq war. he was factually wrong about why we needed to start the iraq war. he was wrong about how the iraq war would go. he was wrong about how the iraq war would end. early on he was not just a yes vote for the iraq war. he was an enthusiastic proponent of how good an idea it would be to start that war in iraq. it was a bad idea to start that war in iraq. we can say that now, right? is it controversial to say that the iraq war was a bad idea? aren't we sort of all on board with that now? at the outset of the iraq war john mccain, of course, was not alone. john mccain and chuck hagel both supported the iraq war initially, as did people like john kerry and hillary clinton and joe biden and dianne feinstein and chuck schumer and 24 other democrats in the senate and all but one of the republicans in the senate all voted yes. and yeah, there were democrats who were against the war from the beginning. and that one republican, lincoln chaffee.
but there were enough democrats who said yes and went along with it. that's part of the reason the war happened. the difference over time is that republican chuck hagel and most of the democrats who were wrong about iraq, they figured out that they were wrong and they turned against the war and ultimately they tried to end the war because it had been a mistake. we can say mistake in the technical sense here, right? the war was started to go get weapons of mass destruction from saddam and to stop saddam from helping al qaeda. well, saddam had no relationship with al qaeda that we were stopping. and saddam had no weapons of mass destruction. it was wrong. the war was factually wrong. right? we have learned that. this is not a controversial assertion. john mccain led the senate today in trying ton just stop chuck hagel from being confirmed as defense secretary. he tried to stop chuck hagel from being confirmed as defense secretary specifically by trying to force chuck hagel to admit, admit it, admit, it that he was the one who was wrong about iraq, that chuck hagel had been
wrong to turn against that war. >> as late as august 29th, 2011 you said, "i disagreed with president obama's decision to surge in iraq as i did with president bush on the surge in iraq." do you stand by that -- those comments, senator hagel? >> well, senator, i stand by them because i made them. >> do you -- were you right? were you correct in your assessment? >> well, i would defer to the judgment of history to sort that out. but i'll -- >> i think the economy deserves your judgment as to whether you were right or wrong about the surge. >> i'll explain why i made those comments -- >> i want to know if you were right or wrong. that's a direct question. i expect a direct answer. >> the surge assisted in the objective. but if we review the record a little bit -- >> will you please answer the question? were you correct or incorrect when you said that the surge
would be "the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since vietnam"? were you correct or incorrect? yes or no? >> my reference to the surge -- >> are you answering the question, senator hagel? the question is were you right or wrong? that's a pretty straightforward question. >> well -- >> i would like the answer whether you were right or wrong, and then you are free to elaborate. >> well, i'm not going to give you a yes or no answer on a lot of things. >> well, let the record show you refused to answer that question. now please go ahead. >> well, if you would like me to explain why -- >> i actually would like an answer. yes or no? >> well, i'm not going to give you a yes or no. i think it's far more complicated than that. >> senator mccain and a lot of republican washington is banking on the lesson learned from the iraq war, being that we should have started that war, we should have escalated that war, we should have kept that war going, and now ten years on our only
regret about the iraq war should be that we're not still there. and the only thing wrong with the whole iraq war experience is that it had to end. i do not think that is what america thinks is the only thing that was wrong with the iraq war. the country does not look back at the iraq war and think, hmm, good move. the country does not wish we were still there. the country does not think the people who wanted to start the war and keep it going there were right. in the nbc poll at the end of the president's first term, when americans were asked, what is the single greatest accomplishment of president obama's first term in office, killing bin laden came in second. what came in first was ending the iraq war. better than bin laden. but the remaining diehard enthusiasts for the iraq war, whose political careers survived even the end of that war, have an obvious self-referential reason to try to make the country believe that there is no real lesson learned from iraq, that in fact it was an awesome idea and anyone against it has
explaining to do about being against it. with bitter party of one john mccain taking point for the republican party on this, that weirdly revisionist agenda about iraq today became the centerpiece of how they are trying to stop the defense secretary nomination of john mccain's old friend chuck hagel. i do not think the country's going to go along with him on this. but you can kind of see why they'd want to try to do it, right? joining us now is steve clemons with the new america foundation. steve writes at the "atlantic" magazine where he's washington editor at large. steve thanks so much for being here. >> good to be with you, rachel. >> in that face-off between john mccain and chuck hagel we're obviously seeing a great difference in temperament, a great difference in focus. but how do you -- a, how do you judge that face off? but how also do you compare the way these two men view the bush-era wars in afghanistan and iraq? what's the difference between them?
>> well, a couple of things. first of all, chuck hagel probably deserves another purple heart after today's hearing. and i think the other thing you saw, two great heroes, two titans of american senatorial politics really, john mccain and chuck hagel, who ripped apart over a very principal difference about deploying men and women in iraq. and that is i think really the crux of it. i don't think hagel wanted to tell john mccain that oh, your policy may have appeared cosmetically to succeed in a really failed war that didn't move the dial and if you take a look at it, you know, hagel snuck in some very important data points.
1,200 americans died during that time, thousands of others wounded. and by the way, if you take a look at the scene, much of the sunni leadership in iraq had been run out of the country. by maliki. and the experiment looks fragile. so what did you get? and many people think it wasn't the deployment of the u.s. forces, it was the essentially hiring or bribing, if you will, of young sunnis that helped stabilize that. so there's a legitimate conversation that could be had. and john mccain didn't want a conversation. he wanted to enforce an orthodoxy about his role and that war and that surge because that's the dividing line for him about who's a real patriot and who's not. and that fundamentally was what much of the hearing was about today. are you genuinely a patriot and see the world like we in the kind of national security hawk wing of the gop do, or do -- but i think hagel, you know, while he's not going to be given credits for the most eloquent glad-handing senator or defense secretary, he seemed like a thought. sergeant who had been on the front line, who gave i think a very compelling set of reasons why this surge didn't deserve a binary yes-no response. >> steve, big picture, you're
talking about how john mccain made his role in the politics of this very central to today's hearing, and i hear that's absolutely what happened. and that's absolutely one of the things that's so important even beyond this nomination. i mean, looking at james inhofe stumbling over trying to attack chuck hagel on nuclear issues and other things, looking at kelly ayotte not seeming to know very much about what she was talking about and we've been told to expect so much from her,
competition for the front-runner on foreign policy and national defense issues in the republican party, really it seems like he is still the guy who speaks for them with any level of credibility. and he is absolutely fixated on saying that the iraq war was a good idea. and i wonder what you think that has as an impact in terms of broader republican foreign policy politics. >> well, i think it keeps it a very narrow band. i found it very odd that in today's hearing you had so much discussion of iraq and a war that has already happened and been shut down.
i would like for you as the committee is getting to know you, know something about your service in vietnam and your combat experience. were you wounded, senator hagel? >> i would respond this way. i think my time is better served and maybe talk about more the specific things like senator mccain asked me about. i had one fundamental question
that i asked myself. on every vote i took, every decision i made. was a policy worthy of the men and women that we were sending into battle and surely to their deaths. i did question a surge. it wasn't an aberration to me. i always ask the question is this worth being the sacrifice? because there will be sacrifice.
your take on one issue that was broached today at the hearing over senator hagel where both sides did not seem to be talking about the same thing. here's a quick clip. >> senator hagel has also been an outspoken supporter of the nuclear disarmament and the global zero movement. why would we want to unilaterally disarm ourselves of nuclear capability? >> the position of global zero, my position, some of the individuals, national security leaders, as senator nunn talked about, including himself, has never been unilateral disarmament, ever. never. >> joe, what are they fighting about here? >> yeah. it's -- senator hagel is exactly right. this is not about unilaterally taking apart our nuclear arsenal. nobody is suggesting that. it's about reducing it. it's about adjusting our nuclear arsenal to the realities of the 21st century world. and the target of the conservative attacks on senator hagel was not actually hagel himself today. it was president obama. because senator hagel's positions are identical to those of president obama, vice president sta major that
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you see former chairmen of the joint chiefs siding with this. former leaders of the strategic command. they recognize we don't need 5,000 nuclear weapons anymore. we can go to much lower numbers. the president of the united states is clearly on a path to doing that, and part of what you saw today was shots across the bow. trying to stop president obama from continuing to modernize u.s. nuclear strategy, to reduce the cost and the expense and the saliency of this obsolete arsenal. >> politically it will be amazing if the republican party decides they want to go all curtis le may on this issue. but i almost welcome it. joe cirincione, president of the ploughshares fund. always great to have you here. >> thanks very much, rachel. republicans have got anne round recently to saying that they have a problem attracting women voters. what they are actually doing about that problem will not help with that problem. details ahead.
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like that and its attendant inevitable electoral defeats, republican strategists are now coaching their party to not do that anymore. they're holding training programs and seminars with pollsters, all dispensing friendly advice to republicans about how to stop talking in public about abortion and rape in ways that creep everybody out. "this is actually pretty simple. if you're about to talk about rape as anything other than a brutal and horrible crime, stop." stop yourself, congressman. deep breath. try some gum or maybe a lozenge. so that's what's happening at the national level. republicans pleading with other republicans to please for god's sake stop talking the way you talk about women and rape and abortion. that's the conversation in d.c. where outside the house of representatives republicans are out of power and part of the reason they are out of power is their public embrace of hard-line fringe anti-abortion politics. but if you look outside d.c., to where republicans really are in power, this year in this legislative session in 2013 the hard-line fringe anti-abortion politics story is playing out totally differently than it's playing out in washington. in states where republicans actually control government there is not less emphasis right now on this stuff. like there is in d.c. there's more emphasis on it.
2013 so far shows a whole new republican offensive opening on abortion rights. mississippi, as you know, is poised to become the first state where republicans might successfully use state government to shut down the last abortion clinic left in that state. there is a handful of states that have only one clinic left. mississippi is one of them. and republicans there say they want to put that one remaining clinic out of business using regulations that are targeted to do just that. as they are getting closer and closer to maybe achieving that goal, that beleaguered last mississippi clinic in recent days, look what they have done. they have painted themselves bright pink. fluorescent pink. pepto pink. the clinic's owner telling a local newspaper "it's a woman's color. it says we're right here and we're not going anywhere." they are clearly not going without a fight. but the clinic did get their notice today that the state health department intends to revoke their license.
meanwhile, outside of mississippi, in another of the states that is down to just one clinic, republicans in north dakota are now deciding to pursue the same mississippi strategy. they are trying to end access to abortion in their state altogether. by issuing new regulations that specifically target their one last clinic. they're doing it exactly the same way as mississippi. north dakota republicans started moving the legislation at the state level this week. its new regulations targeting specifically the state's one last clinic with new rules. same rules as mississippi. that are designed to be impossible to comply with. so then they can shut that clinic down. they have almost completed this process in mississippi. at least they think they have. and they are starting this process now in north dakota. they are targeting first the states where women are down to
one last clinic as their last remaining connection to something that is supposedly a constitutionally protected right for them. they're only one clinic away from effectively outlawing abortion in some american states. in a country where constitutionally speaking that's not supposed to happen. but it's not only mississippi and north dakota. the republican war on abortion rights that the beltway press keeps saying is over is anything but over outside that beltway. it is actually ramped up so far this year. before this year a handful of states had gotten away with passing bans on abortion at roughly 20 weeks. i say they got away with that because under roe versus wade it's widely agreed that those laws are not constitutional. but after getting away with it in a few states now the idea is spreading this year. so far to arkansas and iowa and north dakota and virginia. republicans in ohio tried and failed to pass a ban on abortion effectively at about six weeks, which is often before a woman even knows she is pregnant. so it's effectively a total ban on most abortions. ohio republicans tried for that and failed last year. but this year they are trying it in arkansas and kentucky and mississippi and north dakota.
today, in fact, that measure passed the arkansas senate by a vote of 26-8. there are also fertilized egg is a person abortion bans that have been put forward this year already in north dakota, oklahoma, south carolina, and virginia. this is the kind of ban that is likely to not just completely ban all abortion but to also affect birth control and even fertility treatment. it's the kind of abortion and birth control ban that has failed every time it's been put to a vote, a popular vote, including in 2011 by the voters of mississippi. but it is being pushed right now in four states. there are new restrictions on how women are allowed to access medication abortions, the abortion pill. in alabama, indiana, iowa, missouri, mississippi, and texas 37 there are new forced ultrasound bills in indiana, missouri, mississippi, new mexico, wyoming. there's also that bill in new mexico that seeks to ban abortions for rape victims specifically based on the assertion that the pregnancy is evidence of the rape and so a doctor can be sent to prison for tampering with that evidence.
that one's still truck right along. and in south dakota, which already passed the longest in the nation 72-hour waiting period for women seeking abortion, there's a new bill this year to specify that 72 hours of waiting does not include weekends and holidays. you aren't waiting when you're waiting over those days. that is just a sampling of what has already been introduced in this session. since the 2012 election in d.c. everybody's focused on republicans getting the message about trying not to be the radical fringe hard-line
maybe this year. who cares if you learn to talk about it less if you are doing it this much everywhere that you are in charge? joining us now is nancy northup. she's president and ceo of reproductive rights which helps states that battle clinics in states like north dakota and mississippi fight against the
laws that are meant to shut them down. nancy, thanks for your time. >> thank you. >> did i get anything wrong there? >> no. and i was going to say thank you for covering this. because as you point out, what's going on in the states tends to sort of sail under the radar screen and we need to pay attention because as you pointed out we're having states that are on the battle of losing their last clinic. >> well, let's start with mississippi there. your organization is representing the clinic in a lawsuit against the state to try to block this new law that would try to shut down the clinic. what do you think your odds are?
we feel we're really strong in the facts of law. there's no question that the state of mississippi, the sponsor of the bill, the governor want to make mississippi an abortion-free state, as they say. and so this law was trumped up. they knew that doctors couldn't meet the requirements, although dr. parker is a board-certified ob-gyn everywhere he's practiced in his long career. mississippi knew he wouldn't be able to get that status in that state. so it's trumped up, and i think the courts are going to take a look at it and see it for what it is, which is a backhanded way to try to take away the rights that roe versus wade protected and which saw the 40th anniversary of last week. >> i am struck by the fact that north dakota, which also only has one clinic, is moving forward not just with the same type of law but with the exact same rule. seeing how far it's gone in mississippi toward shutting down the last clinic in mississippi, how tough that fight is and how far along we are there, they're now doing the exact same thing in north dakota. do you think they saw this starting to succeed in mississippi? is that why we're seeing it now pop up in this other state? >> well, i'd like to say it's not succeeded yet in mississippi because it's blocked by the court. but yeah, we see these copycat laws all over the country because it is a coordinated effort throughout the states to stop the american women from being able to access their constitutional rights. so you'll see it in the personhood laws are copycat laws, the you know, bans on
>> beyonce, who will perform at the super bowl halftime show this coming sunday, and thus today had a press conference which turned into a press conference not just about the super bowl but about the inauguration last week, where beyonce lip-synced the national anthem. because she had not rehearsed or sound-checked enough to want to sing live. and that of course turned into a controversy among people who have a very, very loose definition of the word "controversy." >> well, i am a perfectionist. and one thing about me, i practice until my feet bleed. and i did not have time to rehearse with the orchestra. it was a live television show and a very, very important, emotional show for me. one of my proudest moments. and due to the weather, due to the delay, due to no proper sound check, i did not feel comfortable taking a risk.
it was about the president and the inauguration, and i wanted to make him and my country proud. so i decided to sing along with my prerecorded track. which is very common in the music industry. and i'm very proud of my performance. >> and so yes, if you were wondering why she sang the national anthem at the press conference, it was both to prove that she can sing it live and boy howdy, can she sing it live. but also to say she will not be lip-syncing at the super bowl this upcoming weekend. and so the nation's worst fears were allayed, or something. but here's a bigger deal that is also pegged to the super bowl. but instead it is about newtown, connecticut and about the families and kids who survived when a gunman armed with a bushmaster assault rifle and multiple extended-capacity magazines killed 20 first-graders and six grown-ups at sandy hook elementary school in december. and he killed his mother and he killed himself. the families of newtown last
night testified for a bipartisan task force at the connecticut state assembly on gun violence. they held it in newtown at a school gym. the hearing lasted for six hours. on sunday at the super bowl, yes, beyonce will sing at halftime. but before that and before the singer alicia keys performs the national anthem at the start of the super bowl, 26 kids from sandy hook elementary school are going to sing "america the beautiful." at the super bowl. so watch the halftime show or don't. whatever suits you. but do not miss the pregame. go sandy hook. [ female announcer ] going to sleep may be easy, but when you wake up in the middle of the night it can be frustrating. it's hard to turn off and go back to sleep. intermezzo is the first and only prescription sleep aid approved for use as needed in the middle of the night when you can't get back to sleep. it's an effective sleep medicine you don't take before bedtime. take it in bed only when you need it and have at least four hours left for sleep.
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